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cell jrs vs bojack crew; who would win
Topic Started: Apr 11 2015, 07:03 AM (1,352 Views)
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Apr 12 2015, 05:47 AM
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Apr 12 2015, 03:40 AM
Except that said hit actually hurt the Cell Junior. It growled and proceeded to slug Vegeta for hitting it. Also, the Kienzan is worthless, Freeza was caught offguard and still he dodged it easily.

Why not? Each one taking two isn't so impossible, even if you have each one just equal to MSSJ Goku, the Cell Juniors weren't all too far above ASSJ Vegeta, if at all.
Exactly.

Toying with something means you're not using your full strength on it, and that includes in guarding. A cat that's swatting at a mouse can still get hurt if the mouse bites it.

You're really overestimating Bojack's crew. The only reason they posed a threat to Trunks was Bujin's magic, which, while impressive, wouldn't stop 2-3 fighters comparable Cell in strength. Cell Jrs aren't smart, but when they see one guy able to stop one from moving at all, they're going after him. Bojack is the only real threat, but he can't kill 5-7 Jrs at once after the rest of his crew dies.
If it was toying, why would it snarl angrily when it fails to block Vegeta and then slug him as a revenge? The Cell Juniors aren't much higher if at all than ASSJ Vegeta or Trunks. Your analogy falls flat because the cat didn't try to block the mouse before the mouse bit it. The Cell Junior actively tried to stop Vegeta and wasn't fast enough.

All of Bojack's crew could use the Psycho Threads, I don't know what you mean by only Bujin using it. Also, they didn't use the Psycho Threads against Gohan and still had him on the ground and ready to die. As for Trunks, he was unable to even touch Zangya during their brief fight before she kicked him away. Zangya also deflected a blast from Gohan. And no, Bojack can definitely solo this.
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Apr 12 2015, 12:25 PM
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Except that said hit actually hurt the Cell Junior. It growled and proceeded to slug Vegeta for hitting it. Also, the Kienzan is worthless, Freeza was caught offguard and still he dodged it easily.

Why not? Each one taking two isn't so impossible, even if you have each one just equal to MSSJ Goku, the Cell Juniors weren't all too far above ASSJ Vegeta, if at all.
Exactly.

Toying with something means you're not using your full strength on it, and that includes in guarding. A cat that's swatting at a mouse can still get hurt if the mouse bites it.

You're really overestimating Bojack's crew. The only reason they posed a threat to Trunks was Bujin's magic, which, while impressive, wouldn't stop 2-3 fighters comparable Cell in strength. Cell Jrs aren't smart, but when they see one guy able to stop one from moving at all, they're going after him. Bojack is the only real threat, but he can't kill 5-7 Jrs at once after the rest of his crew dies.
If it was toying, why would it snarl angrily when it fails to block Vegeta and then slug him as a revenge? The Cell Juniors aren't much higher if at all than ASSJ Vegeta or Trunks. Your analogy falls flat because the cat didn't try to block the mouse before the mouse bit it. The Cell Junior actively tried to stop Vegeta and wasn't fast enough.

All of Bojack's crew could use the Psycho Threads, I don't know what you mean by only Bujin using it. Also, they didn't use the Psycho Threads against Gohan and still had him on the ground and ready to die. As for Trunks, he was unable to even touch Zangya during their brief fight before she kicked him away. Zangya also deflected a blast from Gohan. And no, Bojack can definitely solo this.
Lamo I like the way piccolo did just as good as trunks and vegetation yet people want bring out oh he was toying with him. piccolo got more hits in then vegeta not only that he took on more then one of them.people stop underestimate piccolo so much. Lazerbem what movie is that pic from?
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That wasn't in the manga. In fact, we don't see Piccolo fight them in the manga. We just see him standing next to one when Gohan goes SSJ2. I guess you could use his ability to still stand as a feat, but Goku was able to stand up when 50% Freeza was slapping him around yet be over 20x weaker than him.

If you're talking about my avi and sig, they are from a game, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
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Apr 12 2015, 01:11 PM
That wasn't in the manga. In fact, we don't see Piccolo fight them in the manga. We just see him standing next to one when Gohan goes SSJ2. I guess you could use his ability to still stand as a feat, but Goku was able to stand up when 50% Freeza was slapping him around yet be over 20x weaker than him.

If you're talking about my avi and sig, they are from a game, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
Piccolo wasn't that much weaker. And I like the way when he went to help gohan with bojack and his crew piccolo went for the strongest of the group. He even manage to kick bojack to a building.
And yea vegetation did last longer only because all he did was shoot ki. When he went head up he couldn't land a kick or a punch. If he would had attack bojack by hand to hand he probably go down faster then piccolo. If piccolo not stronger then vegeita he's at least even with him.
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Bojack was trolling both Piccolo and Vegeta. He did an upside down blast for the lolz which oneshotted Piccolo. Vegeta didn't do to much better either.
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Apr 12 2015, 12:25 PM
If it was toying, why would it snarl angrily when it fails to block Vegeta and then slug him as a revenge? The Cell Juniors aren't much higher if at all than ASSJ Vegeta or Trunks. Your analogy falls flat because the cat didn't try to block the mouse before the mouse bit it. The Cell Junior actively tried to stop Vegeta and wasn't fast enough.

All of Bojack's crew could use the Psycho Threads, I don't know what you mean by only Bujin using it. Also, they didn't use the Psycho Threads against Gohan and still had him on the ground and ready to die. As for Trunks, he was unable to even touch Zangya during their brief fight before she kicked him away. Zangya also deflected a blast from Gohan. And no, Bojack can definitely solo this.
So, by that logic, base Goku is almost as strong as Frieza, because he was fast enough to get a few hits in that angered Frieza? And 20X kaioken Goku must also be just as strong, because his kamehameha was able to hurt Frieza even though he blocked.

The reason I said that Bujin'd be the one using psycho threads is because it's his move. Sure, Zangya and Bido also know it, but we never see them use it to any real effect. Considering Bujin is the one with the strongest psychic powers, I'd say it's not a stretch to believe that the others' would be able to be broken by even weaker characters.

And, really, Bojack solos this? The guy who's probably weaker than Cell is able to take down 7 guys who are nearly as strong? Okay.
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If it was toying, why would it snarl angrily when it fails to block Vegeta and then slug him as a revenge? The Cell Juniors aren't much higher if at all than ASSJ Vegeta or Trunks. Your analogy falls flat because the cat didn't try to block the mouse before the mouse bit it. The Cell Junior actively tried to stop Vegeta and wasn't fast enough.

All of Bojack's crew could use the Psycho Threads, I don't know what you mean by only Bujin using it. Also, they didn't use the Psycho Threads against Gohan and still had him on the ground and ready to die. As for Trunks, he was unable to even touch Zangya during their brief fight before she kicked him away. Zangya also deflected a blast from Gohan. And no, Bojack can definitely solo this.
So, by that logic, base Goku is almost as strong as Frieza, because he was fast enough to get a few hits in that angered Frieza? And 20X kaioken Goku must also be just as strong, because his kamehameha was able to hurt Frieza even though he blocked.

The reason I said that Bujin'd be the one using psycho threads is because it's his move. Sure, Zangya and Bido also know it, but we never see them use it to any real effect. Considering Bujin is the one with the strongest psychic powers, I'd say it's not a stretch to believe that the others' would be able to be broken by even weaker characters.

And, really, Bojack solos this? The guy who's probably weaker than Cell is able to take down 7 guys who are nearly as strong? Okay.
Freeza was outright suppressing his power. The Cell Juniors were not, at least not against Vegeta and Trunks. They were blocking hits and taking hits with their serious faces. You have to prove that the Cell Juniors were toying despite getting angry at Vegeta and Trunks and having less self control than Freeza.

Where'd you get the idea that it's his move specifically? All of them used them at some point or another. Where are you getting these assumptions from? All of them used the Psycho Threads and it all had the same effect. Bujin flung a few clocktower pieces at Gohan, but that's it. Why are the others suddenly so much weaker, especially when it seems more likely that Bido or Zangya is the strongest. Zangya lands the most hits on Gohan and Bido is the one who pretty much takes him down.

The Cell Juniors are nowhere near as strong as Cell. The fact that Cell was still confident after seeing them slaughtered pretty directly states this
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Apr 12 2015, 06:22 PM
Freeza was outright suppressing his power. The Cell Juniors were not, at least not against Vegeta and Trunks. They were blocking hits and taking hits with their serious faces. You have to prove that the Cell Juniors were toying despite getting angry at Vegeta and Trunks and having less self control than Freeza.

Where'd you get the idea that it's his move specifically? All of them used them at some point or another. Where are you getting these assumptions from? All of them used the Psycho Threads and it all had the same effect. Bujin flung a few clocktower pieces at Gohan, but that's it. Why are the others suddenly so much weaker, especially when it seems more likely that Bido or Zangya is the strongest. Zangya lands the most hits on Gohan and Bido is the one who pretty much takes him down.

The Cell Juniors are nowhere near as strong as Cell. The fact that Cell was still confident after seeing them slaughtered pretty directly states this
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And Frieza never fought Goku with a serious face?

I'm not saying Frieza wasn't suppressing his power, but he was still clearly at least 20X stronger than Goku, and still took plenty of good hits. Suppressing yourself doesn't mean you can automatically snap back to full power to prevent a quick hit from landing.

I said psycho threads was Bujin's move because he uses it first, most often, and to the greatest effect. Besides, since it's a move that utilized psychic power, and he's the one who tended to use that over ki or physical attacks. Zangya and Bido are stronger than him, but this attack isn't about strength. Besides, Bojack and Koga never used it. They probably can, but there's likely a reason they never thought to.

Cell specifically says that the Jrs aren't trying to kill any of the Z-Fighters, as he orders them to kill their targets some time into the fight. He also specifically says they're close to him in power.

You're also severely overestimating Cell's common sense. This is the guy who laughed his head off at USSJ, and then used the same thing himself. Who got dominated by Gohan, had a perfect opportunity to flee, but decided to go back and fight again, first targeting Trunks (Or maybe it was that he randomly shot a blast, the point is anyone smart would've killed Gohan then and there). Cell also has two factors that make him vastly superior to his kids, without needing much more strength; regeneration, and an actual mind. The Jrs had neither, they just fell apart when attacked and did whatever Cell said. Cell's an arrogant guy, don't take everything he says about himself as the truth.
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Using anime shots won't do much for your side of the debate. This doesn't really prove or disprove anything.

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I'm not saying Frieza wasn't suppressing his power, but he was still clearly at least 20X stronger than Goku, and still took plenty of good hits. Suppressing yourself doesn't mean you can automatically snap back to full power to prevent a quick hit from landing.


Freeza did the same thing Cell did against Goku. He lowered his power to a certain level and "locked" it there, if you will. He can be stronger but he's choosing not to for the sake of fun. He's having to use effort because of his actions, not Goku's.

Once Freeza went 50%, Goku's standard full power and even KK x10 had no chance of hurting him. It took a banzai x20 to manage something.

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Do you have a scan of Cell saying this?

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You're also severely overestimating Cell's common sense. This is the guy who laughed his head off at USSJ, and then used the same thing himself.


Gohan was casually countering everything Cell threw at him. He was out of options and had nothing to lose.

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The Jrs had neither, they just fell apart when attacked


They were getting hit by a pissed off SSJ2 well over 2x their power. What do you expect to happen to them?




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Yes, but Freeza isn't a stupid child who wouldn't be able control himself if he was slugged. Unless you want to argue that the Cell Juniors can control themselves beyond not killing someone.

To the greatest effect? It's not any different than with the others. Why assume Bojack and Kogu can use it?

No, he doesn't say they're close to him. He just says that they're his children. And as for ordering the kill, he ordered that before Gohan went SSJ2. That gave the Cell Juniors quite a bit of time to go for the kill. If they're as good as you say, they should have finished off Vegeta and Trunks.

He used USSJ because he had no other choice at the time. He came back because he would have won a 1v1 against Gohan and wanted to prove he could do it. Cell may be arrogant, but he wasn't that arrogant. Even Vegeta isn't that thick. The Cell Juniors were weaklings who were just a bit above Vegeta, if at all. Meanwhile, Bojack's crew was giving Gohan the beating of a lifetime, someone who can arguably take down the Cell Juniors himself. I mean, Vegeta is still far behind Goku, who is far behind Gohan, who is far behind Bojack's gang. You see my point here, if Krillin can one-shot all of the Saibamen, I don't see why Bojack's crew can't win easily
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